Talk:9th Wonders!

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Who's the Writer?

Okay so we know that Isaac Mendez is the artist behind 9th Wonders. Has there been any mention of who the writer is? Normally with comics it's not written and drawn by the same person. We have until now been assuming Isaac's doing both. IF that were the case, then he would have known more about Hiro. He'd have an idea where he was taking that story. Or have we assumed until now he was under the same drug haze while making the comics and can't remember? That seems rather a convenient excuse. Also, Micah's been reading all the comics. Would he not have recognized (okay NOT Hiro but are there not other events in the comics he would have recognized?) and would he not start recognizing others as he met them, from the comic ? Would someone not have reviewed the comics by now and tried to glean clues from them? -- ZachsMind 18:36, 15 February 2007 (EST)

It's Issac: in the picture showing the last page of issue #14 it says that its published by writer/artist Issac Mendez.
  • It's not at all uncommon for indie comics to be written and illustrated by the same person. Off the top of my head: Dave Sims' Cerebus, Jeff Smith's Bone, Terry Moore's Strangers in Paradise, and lots of others are illustrator-written. It's not even unheard of in mainstream comics. Jack Kirby used to write and draw some of his own books; so have Alan Davis, Todd McFarlane, Rob Liefeld, and a bunch of other guys. More to the point, the bio calls Isaac the "writer/artist".--Hardvice (talk) 18:46, 15 February 2007 (EST)
    • It's not unheard of, but... oh never mind. =/ -- ZachsMind 18:49, 15 February 2007 (EST)
  • Micah has many of the 9th Wonders! comics. He is seen reading Issue #13 (with Uluru on the cover). Hiro, as far as we know, is only mentioned in Issue #14, which hasn't been published, so Micah wouldn't necessarily have recognized him. — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 19:47, 15 February 2007 (EST)
    • Isaac also tells Simone in Genesis that he's only been painting the future for three weeks. If the comic is no more frequent than monthly, it's possible the previous issues are not necessarily prophetic. They could be, but they aren't necessarily.--Hardvice (talk) 20:02, 15 February 2007 (EST)
  • This has bugged me for a while, too. Isaac could paint the future. At what point did he show any ability to predict dialogue? In fact, none of the people who have used this precognition ability (Isaac, Peter, Sylar, Arthur, Usutu if we're assuming his as identical) have shown any capacity to hear/predict future speech word-perfectly. I understand that it's likely a liberty, but to know what will be said to the letter is unexplained. A minor detail, but unexplained. I have my own personal theories, but... yeah. --AmbroBaby 19:52, 30 January 2009 (EST)
    • Isaac has also shown the ability to predict dialogue accurately. Many of his 9th Wonders! comic panels show people repeating dialogue word-for-word. For instance, see here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 21:03, 30 January 2009 (EST)
      • Yeah, but that's my point. 9th Wonders! is the only time this has ever been demonstrated, or acknowledged. It's apparent he can, but how? Does he hear it? See it? Does it come to him around the same time he does the drawings, or--like the storyboard with Sylar getting stabbed--does the dialogue get added later down the production line? That's the aspect that I feel is still unexplained/neglected... --AmbroBaby 06:30, 31 January 2009 (EST)

High Def Imagery

  • I got the comic's publisher from my hi-def iTunes download. I have the first three episodes downloaded if anybody has any hard-to-see details. - fcphantom
    • I just updated Isaac Mendez with his biographical info from the back cover of 9th Wonders issue #14 when Hiro is looking for his address. Do you want to double check and see if I got it right? It was cut off beyond a certain point so I stopped around where it got cut off. (Admin 00:41, 26 October 2006 (EDT))
      • Got it. I actually had to get the bottom-most and right-most stuff from when Hiro was flipping the pages! (fcpahntom 19:31, 6 November 2006 (EST))
  • Heya all, I found a series of Prop Auctions on eBay that show other issues of the comic. Search for NBC HEROES Prop Comic 9th Wonders... Will upload images as soon as I figure out how -- Orne
    • These are great! I'd suggest adding them to the article as a gallery. To add a gallery, type
<gallery>
Image:Imagename.jpg|Description
Image:Imagename.jpg|Description
...
</gallery>

...and then be sure to add [[Category: Galleries]]. Awesome find!--Hardvice 16:02, 6 November 2006 (EST)

Time Rift?

In the current timeline, Isaac has painted his own death, meaning that it WILL come to pass (like all his other's have). Seeing as he hasn't drawn any of the images for the comic book, won't that cause the book to cease to exist, and cause a "course-correction" for all things resulting from Hiro obtaining the comic? Anomy 09:20, 10 March 2007 (EST)

  • First, many of the images are finished -- Isaac told Hiro and Ando about them in the Burnt Toast Diner during Fallout. Second, there's no guarantee that Isaac will die (I have a feeling we're going to go back and make a lot of changes after the season finale). My guess is it's Candace posing as Isaac, but who knows? :) — RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:46, 10 March 2007 (EST)
    • That's right. To say that Isaac painted his own death is to make an interpretive leap from the painting to its significance. Just like we couldn't initially know if Hiro was going to fight a real dinosaur or if Peter was going to die at the highschool, we also don't know if the real Isaac is really going to die. The painting is only an image of how something appears. It could be a fake Isaac; it could be a non-fatal injury; it could be a nasty ketchup spill; it could be that he gets brought back to life; it could be that he dies in one timeline and Hiro saves him in another; or it could be that Isaac hears Sylar coming up the stairs and quickly fakes his own death to avoid getting an encephalectomy. It could even be that in the future Isaac paints a non-prophetic painting of his death and this is a prophetic painting of that future non-prophetic painting.--E rowe 11:17, 10 March 2007 (EST)

Table

Working on this table to give a better overview of all of the issues:

Number Cover First Appeared
#5
Issue05.jpg
9th Wonders Nathan unmasked.jpg
N/A
#7
9th wonders number 7 cover.jpg
The Butterfly Effect
#9
Issue09.jpg
Better Halves
#10
9th wonders number 10 cover.jpg
Fight or Flight
#13
Issue13.jpg
Genesis
#14
9th wonders.jpg
Don't Look Back
#16
9thWondersIssue16.jpg
It's Coming
#31
9thWondersIssue31.jpg
The Eclipse, Part 1
#?
9th Wonders, final issue cover.jpg
Five Years Gone
(unreleased)
9th Wonders Final Sketchbook Cover.jpg
Our Father

What you think?

  • Great! What about the final issue? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 14:27, 4 October 2008 (EDT)
  • Hiro in the Future should no longer be counted as the final issue as Sam said that issue #31 was the final one.
    • I disagree. Isaac said that the future issue was his last. I trust Isaac's knowledge of his own comic book series over that of Sam's, who even mentioned the "legend" of a final issue. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 13:00, 2 December 2008 (EST)
      • Hiro was looking at that issue in the store so it definitly came out before #31 (they show him looking at the picture of him stabbing Sylar but this time its in color). My guess is that that last story was written by Issac in his sketchbook but because he was going to die soon he never got the chance to transfer it over to whatever he does for his comic books. I think he probably draws them in the sketchbook first as one of his sketches of Charlie was shown in one of his comics. Sam said that this last story is in Issac's sketchbook.

#16

  • Since there is now #16 at Sam's Comics, the "Final" no more final should be called "Hiro in the Future", special edition or #15? Juba 15:57, 23 November 2008
    • All those names you suggest would be speculative. Who is to say that Isaac didn't complete Issue #16 (and perhaps tons of other issues after that) before he started his final issue. Because Isaac used the term "final issue" (.07%), we do too. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 17:12, 23 November 2008 (EST)
      • That wasn't me who said that.--Skywalkerrbf 03:09, 24 November 2008 (EST)

I think that painting of the eclipse with "It's Coming" written below it was supposed to be a picture of the painting Arthur drew as he said that right after he painted it. And there's new 9th Wonders coming out still even after Issac's death (the new one Seth Green's charchter and the other guy were looking at) and since the writer and drawerer is dead there shouldn't be anymore. Refer to what I wrote below for my thoughts on that.

New Comics after Issac's death

There are at least two new 9th Wonders after Issac's death. How is this??? He's dead and they're all made out of his precognitive paintings. There's #16, the one found in Japan in It's Coming and #17 (presumably) the one Hiro and Ando go to Sam's Comics for (how is there the same store in Japan and Lawrence Kansas???) and the two guys (one played by Seth Green from Austin Powers and Buffy the Vampire Slayer) are looking at it with the front showing Hiro and Ando there with them looking at the comic in background. There shouldn't have been anymore after that unfinished one Hiro and Ando got off Hiro's future self (from the looks of that one it was the unpubished copy given to that courier too). It's a cool plot device for the writers, but it doesn't make sense now that the person drawing them using his precognitive abilities is dead!!!!!!!

  • The new issue is actually #31. The Eclipse, Part 1 takes place not more than a few weeks after the end of Season Two, which is really sometime in March or April 2007. That's about six months after Isaac was killed. It's very common for an artist to work on something and then not have it published for quite some time. Plus, before he died, Isaac said he had created more art. There's no reason to assume that we've seen everything Isaac has ever created, or that Uncle Burk's Fine Comics isn't holding on to even more issues, planning to release them posthumously. See the latest Behind the Eclipse, and expect Sam (Seth Green) to talk about this next week. Isaac also said that the "future" issue (the unfinished one) was his last. We don't know its number, but we can certainly assume it's after #31. Also, franchise stores (like Sam's Comics) often have satellites overseas. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 18:56, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Issues with issue numbers

Look at the major change in storylines between 14, 16, and 31. The numbers are to big a jump to be just about Hiro, since he hasnt done only one issues worth between dont look back and its coming and he hasnt done 15 issues between Its coming and Eclipse part 1.--345tom 19:42, 28 November 2008 (EST)

  • The two recent ones in question are the Japanese #16 and the American #31. Good old fashioned localization lag :P --Ricard Desi 00:39, 2 December 2008 (EST)

Final Issue

In .07% Issac said that that comic was the final issue. Now there's a discrepency there. I know that he somehow set it up so there were posthumus issues after his death, but Sam identifies issue #31 as the true final one. Also another discrepancy: in season 1 that particular issue was in black and white with no dialouge, but in The Eclipse, Part 2, Hiro was looking at that issue again and it was in color with at least some dialouge (it showed a Japanese symbol where Hiro would have said "Yatta" in the picture where he stabbed Sylar).

  • No discrepancy. Sam knows #31 as the final issue because it's the last published one. The final issue (with Hiro going to the future) is the "legend" of which Sam speaks. That's the true final issue. It was never completed. It would have been Issue #32 or maybe even a number beyond that. Sometimes in comics, the same images are used in more than one issue. For instance, this image was in Issue #14, and this image was in Issue #16. Same image. Likewise, this image appears in the same comic, but in a different position and on a different page. No discrepancy. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 10:49, 2 December 2008 (EST)
    • No there is a discrepency, Hiro was looking at that so called Final Issue in the comic book store. Pay attention right after Hiro runs into the bathroom and you'll see that one of the pictures he was looking at was of him stabbing Sylar from that comic. That's only in that comic. And it was published: Hiro's copy of that comic is where Sylar got Issac Mendez's address like Hiro did in that now alternate future with issue #14. That courier was taking it to the publisher for him and he gave him his sketchbook as an afterthought as he was gonna die and he knew it. In that sketchbook is where this last 9th Wonders! story supposedly is, not that comic. It makes sense too: if Issac was working on another story when he died, he may not have had time to make it into a comic book and it just remained in his sketchbook.
      • I still don't see a discrepancy. Why can't the same panel be in more than one issue? -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 12:51, 2 December 2008 (EST)
        • Why would it be??? Issac drew that comic just before his death, I doubt he had time to include it in other comics and I got the impression he'd drawn that not too long before he was killed either.
          • I'll lay it out for you since you guys don't seem to get it. The "last issue" with Hiro stabbing Sylar was in black and white when Issac gave it to the courier who was taking it to the publishers who would of put the color in it ( he also gave the courier his sketchbook which is not an issue). Also they mention that there were several POSTUMUS issues which means they were released after his death, so the final issue Issac made is not nessacarily the final issue ever released if you follow. -- D Toccs 07:18, 22 December 2008 (EST)
            • Several of the same panels appear in several different issues. One issue shows Hiro stabbing Hiro, another also shows Hiro stabbing Sylar. One is in black and white (the final issue), one is not (the issue shown in The Eclipse, Part 2). -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 16:42, 21 December 2008 (EST)
              • Of course one is in black and white. The "Final Issue" was given to the coruier to take to the publisher, where the colour was put it in before it's release. D Toccs 16:18, 25 December 2008 (EST)

timeline

so, Isaac's last FEW comics were about ando being dead and mohinder injecting the haitian, etc. why is the LAST one set in an enitrely different future? - Tristan0709 00:21, 9 December 2008 (EST)

  • It seems that Isaac called the issue with Hiro visiting the explosion future his "final issue" because it was the last completed one. (Well, the last one that he did the pencils for--it was yet to be sent to the colorist and letterer.) The one in his sketchbook was never completed. We can't really call the sketchbook one the "final issue" because Isaac never had it ready to become an issue. It would be like finding a napkin that Picasso doodled on and calling it one of his paintings. The sketchbook gives a good idea of what the issue would have looked like, but it never was an issue. It's set in a different future (actually, it's set in the past) because that's where Hiro is right now--lost in time. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 01:08, 9 December 2008 (EST)
    • Yeah but there were a bunch of comics after Issac's death and the printing of that supposed final issue. A lot too: there were 31 and when Issac died that one he gave couldn't have been more than issue #15 or so and if you look during the scene where Ando looks at the comics that upset Hiro you'll see the so called final issue there. I think the writters just intended that to be the final issue, but brought 9th Wonders! back into the storyline as a plot device so they changed that.--WarGrowlmon18 10:05, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Misleading information

The Helix Comics images and the Heroes covers need to be removed from this page. They are promotional items from NBC made to resemble Isaac's 9th Wonders! comics, but they are not Isaac's 9th Wonders! comics. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 22:36, 11 December 2008 (EST)

  • Since some of the Helix Comics do reference 9th Wonders, is there a way we can still reference them here (with a explanatory note)? I'll work on cleaning things up tomorrow, but at the least, I want to save these promo-covers in my user area...I spent a lot of time finding and gathering up all these covers, and don't want to loose them. I believe they are all Tim Sale works and while not "official" Isaac covers, were made for Heroes about Heroes characters and Events and I would think we should be able to document and list them somewhere...if even in a user area. --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 12/12/2008 00:25 (EST)
    • Yeah, I think all the pictures should go on Tim Sale's page (probably in their own gallery), and I don't see any reason why notes can be added to this page. I made some other comments at Talk:Helix Comics. The pictures look great. I'm not suggesting we get rid of them--we just need to be careful that we're not extending fake 9th Wonders! promotional items to become non-existent episodic references. We just have to be very explicit. -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:44, 12 December 2008 (EST)
      • OK, I've cleaned out all of the Helix Comics gallery pictures here, and removed the notes entries and/or modified them to only reflect UBFC statistics. I also reworked the Helix Comics page being very careful to denote it as promotional covers only, of a fictional publishing company created by artist Tim Sale; and hopefully we can now allow it to stand as a resource page of other Heroes-related comics covers drawn "for" the show, but not included within the show. Will update Tim Sales page to link to there also.

hurry half finish

go soon possable to by comix seen on show 4give sloppy lunchalmost over--Hawkeye 13:05, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

  • Huh????? Plenty of English words above...but not a coherent English sentence...care to try again? --HiroDynoSlayer (talk) 05/13/2009 13:56 (EST)
  • Hey, Hawkeye. I'm not sure you can buy the comics you've seen on the show, but if you do find them somewhere, I'd be interested in knowing where you got them! Hope you enjoyed your lunch! :) -- RyanGibsonStewart (talk) 00:10, 14 May 2009 (EDT)
  • Thanks, and sorry for my improper grammer. By the way, thank you for all of your work Ryan, every page I have been to has your signiture at least once. It must be hard to type with correct grammer in a hurry.--Hawkeye 09:44, 14 May 2009 (EDT)
  • someone hacked my gacreditrecovery again, wich then changed my pasword to something else and to confirm this I sent an email to one of the automated emails under Autobot2 nickname hawkeye. I dont think that they want to mess with your site, just my stuff. Also the above was the last thing I did with my acount unless there is something in the symbol. Should I stop logging on to heroes wiki? I love this site and I just got here, too!--Hawkeye2 12:58, 14 May 2009 (EDT)

My pasword is back again, I think some one should moniter my account so that no one else gets hacked. P.S. do NOT enter my portal, he may still be there. --Hawkeye 20 may 9:57am (edt)

So wait, we can't buy these comics? For real?

Surely, if they've appeared enough in the series, surely they've been released for some merchandise etc? So we can't read the stories that Hiro sees, except for in the show?? jdryden